snippy:
sweet news!
deez:
How long has it been since the last veto? Is this his first one?
UncleJesse:
His pimp hand is strong.
weave:
A foreign country's private company gets to use our eminent domain to force our private property owners to sell their land so a foreign private company can sell their oil on the international market so they can profit because that country doesn't want to build the pipeline across their own country because they are worried about the environmental impact of it -- and Republicans are all for it.
Riverrat:
The refineries on the gulf coast are the only ones in the world that can handle the heavy sour crude oil. That's why the oil from south America is brought in there. The Canadian oil is going to end up there somehow anyway. A pipeline is cheaper and safer then transporting by rail. Also it would bring the oil from ND and MT to the refineries. On top of all the jobs it creates.
snippy:
best way to get the jobs back from bush throwing average american joes under the bus, is to restart manufacturing in a big way. let the canoodles build their own refinery right next to the oil sands mess.
snippy:
we can start with repairing and upgrading infrastructure. making our own glass and steel again. the canoodles can sell us oil we can sell them finished products. the refineries are too few and can easily manipulate the price of fuel nationwide with breakdowns and damage that is suspicious in nature. happened just the other day again somewhere down south.
Fleedle:
Weave lemme guess, was that some Daily KOS enlightenment?
weave:
No. Is that your standard rebuttal to everything?
Fleedle:
No. Ive used it twice now after learning that you really do get your 'news' from that cesspool of lefty retardedness
weave:
Is it not true that TransCanada first tried to get the pipeline ran through BC but they were unable to because BC wouldn't allow it? Or did I Daily Kos just make that up too?
Fleedle:
So what you're saying is that there are enviroflakes in canada as well as the US? Shocking! There are pipes running all over the place whats the BFD?
Fleedle:
"Obama’s decision all but ensures the United States will miss out on a shovel-ready $7 billion investment in American infrastructure. The veto also kills hope for the more than 42,000 jobs that would directly or indirectly result from the pipeline’s construction, as well as for $2 billion in wages, according to the Energy and Commerce Committee."
Im sure the unions are ecstatic
weave:
"The refineries on the gulf coast are the only ones in the world that can handle the heavy sour crude oil." Where did you get that from? There are refineries in Asia that can. The alternate plan for the Enbridge northern gateway pipeline was to ship the tar sands oil to Asia to be refined.
BigJay:
obuma is definitely the most transparent pres we have ever hadt. I can see thru his bullshit every time he speaks...
weave:
Maybe there is no BFD and probably safer than hauling it via trains.... but it still doesn't change the fact that it's a foreign corp forcing hundreds of private landowners to sell their land against their will. Something I'd think anti-government, property-rights Republicans would be against....
BigJay:
^ You don't typically sell yer landt for a pipeline. You sell the rights to the right of way. You just cain't buildt nuthin over it. THe path is usually chosen to do the least amount of impact to the landt owners. Butt don't let that stop you. Yer onna roll!
Fleedle:
Im not anti-government nor republican- but I like that you can see its probably not a BFD. As with everything Obama, the calculations are all political.
weave:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/17/us-usa-keystone-lawsuit-idUSKBN0KQ07W20150117
weave:
The other "not a BFD" is even if it was approved it probably wouldn't be built. The Saudi's have demonstrated they are perfectly willing to drive the price down to levels that can make it unprofitable should the U.S. over-produce and U.S. companies are already responding by cutting back on pumping. There's thousands of tankers of oil trains full of crude sitting on rail tracks all over the country currently because there's no market to buy them. I've posted pictures of it outside my office window. They've been sitting there for months.
Fleedle:
Thats an interesting economic angle I dont fully grasp- seems like we'd have more staying power than the saudis. But if path of action has so obvious a conclusion why are there major multinational corporations willing to spend billions if going bankrupt is the expected result?
Fleedle:
Also, regarding the eminent domain lawsuit, those pop up probably every time there is an eminent domain case.
weave:
True, but it's a bit different when it's not a government interest. Similar when the city of Atlantic City was condemning private property "for the public good" under eminent domain laws in order to make way for private casino development in the late 70s....
weave:
Well I just posted a pic of the tanker trucks parked in front of where I work. But the oil prices lately do demonstrate that there has been an effect of the U.S. amping up oil production on the world market pricing despite liberals claiming it would not, but only because OPEC has been unwilling to cut back on their production to offset production. Then again, I never understood the rush to pump all of our own oil out of the ground quickly either. That oil we have under Alaska and other places is not going anywhere so it's like money in the bank. So we're pissing away our children's future in so many other ways so why not let it sit there and let them decide if they want to pump it out down the road. In meantime, let the Saudis sell us what they got. The sooner they run out and become world beggars, the better I say.
Fleedle:
Are you sure those are full of juice? I didnt think that shit could sit for very long without being messed with- altho maybe different if its just crude. As far as saving our oil for the future etc, thats a rosy picture everyone would love to see but thats a long way off and making the middle east rich as hell isnt working out well for us. And with the juice they have it will be many many moons before the saudis become world beggars.
weave:
They may rotate the cars in the middle of the night, I can't swear that doesn't happen, but there's always been something parked out there for past few months whereas I never saw anything parked out there before this. It's definitely crude though. About 10 miles down the rail line there are refineries. They refine tar sands crap -- that apparently can only be done in the gulf region according to riverrat :) But this is a side-effect of the lack of Keystone ... more of this stuff is on rail and coming through populated areas.
Fleedle:
It seems to me the only reason to block this pipeline is for the global warming crowd- which I get, but what I dont get is that the shit is going to get used anyway, and in a less efficient manner.
Riverrat:
Unless things have changed in recent years the gulf coast refineries were the only ones that could handle that type of crude. That is why Hugo Chavez threats were pointless, we were the only ones that could process his crude.
KingHade:
^Are you saying a new refinery can't be built to handle that stuff? And for cheaper, and quicker, then the pipeline?
Riverrat:
Apparently not or they would be looking at doing that.
KingHade:
^I don't beleive that for one minute...
Riverrat:
Even if they did build a refinery in Canada to handle the crude they then have to get it out of the refinery. The refineries here already have the distribution system including pipelines to different parts of the country. You can't just build a refinery with no way of transporting the refined fuel and oil.
KingHade:
^That's their problem, not ours...
Riverrat:
If it's fuel for our gas stations and for heating our houses then it is our problem. It is also things that add to the cost and time in building a refinery in an area with no distribution system.
KingHade:
^Again, they are a private, for profit, company... Their problem, not ours...
Riverrat:
If it costs them more then it costs us more so it is our problem.
snippy:
its crazy how peeps have gotten so dog fucked by the oil companies with the manipulation and fine tuning of every aspect of that cartels industry. its aimed at stringing out addicted petrol users and bleeding them into continued submission. and like poor abused repube shills, they line up to vociferously defend big oil at every opportunity. so if you cant spot phony logic and PATHETIC submissiveness in the big oil defenders arguments then you aint reading and comprehending proper.
weave:
It's not directly fuel for our gas stations and heating for our houses. It'd be refined and exported to world markets out the Gulf. Right now the stuff is refined in the midwest and sold at below market rates in the midwest because it can't go further. The end result of this is expected to be higher fuel costs for people in midwest states. It may mean a bit lower overall costs for the rest of us as it adds to the global supply.
Fleedle:
Uncle Sam gets more of every dollar you spend on gas than evil Big Oil does.
BigJay:
^ Yep. PA just uppedt it another dime a gallon as of Jan 1 2015...
Fleedle:
Gee look, he lied again.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/02/obamas-claim-that-keystone-xl-oil-bypasses-the-u-s-earns-four-pinocchios/?hpid=z5
BigJay:
"Enviromentalists dismiss IHS as a biased source, but the analysis mirrors the conclusions of the State Department’s final environmental impact statement on the Keystone XL project. This is what is especially strange about Obama’s remarks, as he appears to be purposely ignoring the findings of the lead Cabinet agency on the issue." obuma should be shot for treason
snippy:
potato, tomato, i say we call the whole thing off. i think all the roadways should be for vehicles that are 50 years or older only. if peeps are so modern and shit they can take some kinda modern (no petrol) transportation and leave the driving to us old fucks.
snippy:
imagine good gas again. not so much traffic, am radio.
BigJay:
I think we just needt a president who doesn't hate America... Andt a 1st lady who doesn't wait until her husbandt is electedt to say for the first time in her life she's proudt to be an American... I think that's a goodt starting point!
snippy:
dont blame me cause i voted for plumber. at least twice. rand paul is a wee funky but i hope he wins the repubes then beats the living dogfuck outa hitlery. thats gonna be good. thats my guess whos running. i think jeb is history.
snippy:
i feel if everybody would have taken my example and voted for plumber we sure as hell wouldnt be in this national fucking mess.
BigJay:
^ He prolly wooda curedt global warming & isis by now....
gettheledout:
plus he coulda gone national with his pickledt peppers, that was a goodt sumbitch!
BigJay:
^ Damnt goodt sombitches!!
Deleted User:
Totally and completely amazed by the number of people who deliberately and willing remain ignorant of current affairs.
Fleedle:
Call em out! Exhibit your erudition
Ridgerunner:
^ Bwhahahahaha!
Deleted User:
Thanks Mr. Cat, but I did not claim to have a vast knowledge about everything. But I am capable of searching for facts to make an informed statement. That is in no way saying that you aren't capable, it seems you get lazy at times.
Fleedle:
Aaaaand doddering old biden just squashed it
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