gettheledout: doh!

Nakkh: If the idiot bush hadn't sent all our young men & women into a fake war they got us into by lying to the American public in the first place, we wouldn't have a VA crisis... The whole giant wounded warrior mess is Bush's fault. Blah!! & we would have 2 extra trillion dollars in the debit column.

Nakkh: *We would not have 2 extra trillion dollars in the debit column. Bush & the republicans fucked this country sideways hard.

Riverrat: Where was the fake war? Was the twin towers collapsing just a myth?

UncleJesse: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans

UncleJesse: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/13/george_w_bush_s_white_house_ignored_these_extremely_dramatic_pre_9_11_warnings.html

KingHade: Rats, stop being a dickhead... The twin towers was very real, the "fake" war was the one with Iraq... Iraq had nothing to go with it, had no WMDs, and was not needed in the least... We should have just concentrated on Afghanistan and finding Bin Laden...

Riverrat: ^Keep telling yourself that so you can keep believing it.

gettheledout: Actually, it was a real war. real bullets, real missiles, real suicide bombers, real injuries. whether he agreed or disagreed with the war doesn't matter, he still had a job to do and people died because of government ineptitude.

BigJay: I know Vets who had a lot of trouble with the VA before the "Bush war", butt nice story Nakkh.

Nakkh: Tell me a story about a large complex system involving human beings that works perfectly ... You cannot.

BigJay: "Perfectly"? LOFL How bout satisfactorily? How bout doctoring Veterans instead of documents?

gettheledout: approximately 5.5 million people use the VA healthcare system. a recent report by huffington post shows that almost 1/3 of applicants for VA care died before being approved. multiply the users by 53 and you get the approximate US population.

gettheledout: yeah, you could call that imperfect. if that's what everyone had to use for healthcare you'd probably call it criminal

UncleJesse: The Bernster doesn't want VA care fore everyone, he wants something more like Medicare which worms peretti good for ever u one who has it. The USA is the only western country who doesn't do something like this.

snippy: i gotta good friend i worked with flying helicopters all over hell. he was 1st air cav in vietnam with 2 go arounds. he flew loach. VA dom in roseburg said he had prostate cancer they treated him with radiation and chemo for three years almost killing him. then they said oops its not cancer its a urinary tract infection!!! you aint allowed to sue the VA hospital so he got double fucked.

BigJay: There is nothing in a govt program since the race to the moon that brings out the best of the best, it breeds mediocrity.

Fleedle: Nakh, you mean the fake war the a majority of Dems in congress supported and voted for? How laughable is it to blame Bush for the corrupt incompetence of the VA? THey had hidden waiting lists, which people were dying on, why were they hidden? So they could still get bonuses, which they got by the millions. The VA has sucked ass for decades, everyone knows it. Dont blame Bush for the VA it makes you look ridiculous. A bunch of leftist idiots want single payer, they should be able to suffer through it- give me a for profit hospital EVERYTIME

Fleedle: Iraq did have WMDs were sold them to them for fucks sake.

Fleedle: Read it: Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said: U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control sent Iraq 14 separate agents "with biological warfare significance," according to Riegle's investigators.[31]

Ridgerunner: #STKN